Tuesday, January 15, 2008

Me?? Getting killed??....What???


"How many people are killed in Road accidents?" asks one villager, Sify reports. And this question propped during the talks about the ban levied on "Jallikattu"(Bull fight in Tamilnadu, India) by supreme court. It is funny to think when people compare the deaths in road accidents to Jallikattu casualties. And most of the villagers have tonsured their heads, went on hunger-strike, road rokkos and even offer a threat to immolate themselves. Ha! Do I call that spirit? And they argue that their villages have become world-famous because of this sport! When from killing people and torturing cattle have become sport? And they argue that it is many times safer and less-cruelty-imposing to the bulls, when compared to "Rekhla", which is a form of bull-cart race. And after all, they say they celebrate "Maatu Pongal"(a function dedicated for Cattle) and bulls are sacred for them and they wouldn't harm them no matter what. Quite funny!


Well, like kids crying and getting a bad-quality chocolate that might affect their health, these poor villagers have done all "nataks" to convince Supreme court to lift the ban(sort of) and have the "Jallikattu" go on under Government supervision!

Namba aalungala adichukka mudiyaathu pa! (Nobody can beat us!)



15 comments:

Ankur said...

bull fights happen all over the europe... so why should not in india?

Arun Sundar said...

I exactly anticipated a comment like this and there you go Ankur!

Tell me something - if it happens in a foreign country, should it happen in India as well? Going by u'r logic, if we adopt such a concept, then we should espouse all good things happening over the world. We should have sky-scrapers like in NY, subway system like in London, Technology like in Japan and even a better political system like in many countries. We have nothing of the above, but we do have our own way to evolve, grow and sustain, don't we?

And coming to the next thing, I wrote about "Jallikattu" because it happens in India and I don't have time nor the space to analyse the issues happening all over the world. We shall set our home straight first. As they say "get inspired from good and not demoted by the bad"

sundar said...

@why jallikattu is happening?: Its tradition mostly..

Guru said...

We indians are funny people , remember there was a small protest when helmets were made mandatory for two wheelers, people were actually protesting cos' they said the helmet is not for chennai climate. WTF ?

And about jallikattu, the whole thing is just crazy. Someone tell me whats the whole point ?

@Ankur: If i'm not wrong Bull Fighting in Europe is a different thing, a single man takes on a bull in a closed field, right ? And does the bull jump into the stands and maul a few hundred people during the course of the sport ?

And also Arun's point above is so true. Why should we do it if someone else is actually foolish to do some shit like that ?

CoNfUsEd said...

u don't understand, i say.. This is veera vilayattu.. These young men's heart bleed cos they were denied an opportunity to show how macho they are! Its in their blood, its their culture.. They like fighting with cows!

Arun Sundar said...

Sundar,
It is actually happening in the name of 'tradition'. But the real suffering - only the Bulls know!

Guru,
You are right. This is similar to that helmet episode wonly - People trying to give some stupid reason and go in search of danger.

Confused,
Are u really confused or being sarcastic? ;) When from Fighting cows is showing how Macho a person is?

Vijai said...

Arun,

Jalli katu is a traditional thing happening for a long time (may be over 100 years) and we cannot understand the logic, reason or the fun, happiness (whatever) of those people. You are talking abt the suffering of the bull and people getting injured and i do accept these things however these are part and parcel of the event.

Can you or anyone in the world can stop people from eating Non veg? That is more crual than this jalli kattu and bull fight in europe. Testing the medicines in animals is again more crual than these stuffs.

Its part of life of majority of the people living in that part of the world.

Arun Sundar said...

Vijai,

You sound like those villagers. How come bull-fight and eating non-veg become one and the same?

I agree eating non-veg is bad. But people eating non-veg would establish balance in the ecosystem, but definitely not finding fun or happiness (or whatever) in Jallikattu. Its far better to kill an animal in one shot, but not 10 people chasing around in the streets, making the bull as well as the on-lookers go completely crazy.

Using animals for medicine test is not a very good thing too, but such attempts have ended up saving thousands of life. I mean it has a good cause.

Tell me one good thing Jallikattu has led to.

I still find it funny that people rebel against supreme court's decision for their own well being.

ela said...

Oye oye oye....Arun....u seem to be tooooo practical and toooo scientific. I do like ur reasoning out for ecosystem balance and definitely appreciate ur agreeing with experimental usuage of animals .....at times u should be ready to trade shoes and try to peek into people's reaction thru their reasoning....
My question would be is there no way where one can tread the thin, fine middle line.....without hurting the villagers for whom this is part of their identity, culture, something they believe in for long and of course without hurting unnecessarily the animals and being humane to them?

U should understand that we as a country are very much depending on our past glory for our todays's existence.....since present is almost a choas for us which would leave a questionalbe future, it is really sad that we have only the long gone past....and we esp. our tamil people in villages are really very adament....i don't know about u, but my parents origins are back to a village and i have visited there often.....i have to be careful about things that I never considered in Chennai, how i walk, how i smile, that i should not climb trees...(in fact everytime i go to the village my mom is really panicked and scared since i was never a very classical traditional one..)it sucks but that's the way they are....
And in a way it is cruel if u force them to change overnight.....It takes time....We as human beings have always considered ourselves superior and everything is there to serve as...

And in many ways, our people are much better humanitarians than the europeans....the bull fighting in spain is much more cruel and painful.....The villagers have always managed to stay close to nature and wreck less havack than the so called develpoed people have done...They do know how much they are dependent on nature and its creations for their survival...

May the animal rights people and the villagers ahve to sit together and figure our what each one wants...

As far as it goes, as a scientist i know how hard it is to talk to animal rights people and convince them......

Guru said...

@Ela: so you say we should not stop a foolish custom just cos' it has a long history ?

We need to reevaluate all the customs and traditions with respect to the present. I don't say we need to drop all of them, but what is the use of staying back in the past.

And about the non-veg eating discussion, people eating non-veg is a different thing. And i guess like you said arun is being too technical with all the ecological balance reasoning.

Random Phrase:
Survival of the fittest. That works for everything, don't ask me to explain though ;).

And my concern is not the animals, but every year so many people are injured and a couple are killed during this so called sport. And sometimes the spectators(fools) are injured when the bull runs into the crowds. Now whats the use of such a dangerous sport to us humans ?

Arun Sundar said...

Scientist madam,

Thesis panniduveengaley vittaa??!! :)

Your village didn't allow you to climb trees? That made lol.

And you suggesting animal rights peope and the villagers to sit together and talk?? It might not happen even in the year 2398.

Guru and Scientist Ela,

Am not being toooo scientific or tooo technical.

I read somewhere "If the world slaughters just one animal less because I am vegetarian, I am indeed a happy person!". And I'm one of those happy persons.

Also, I hereby declare that if I become the CM of TN, I shall ban this Jallikattu and also "Naadu kadathify"(deport) those who support it!

:)

CoNfUsEd said...

the sarcasm is kinda lost when i have to explain myself :( aiyooooo

Arun Sundar said...

Confused,
Puriyuthu puriyuthu ippo :)

ela said...

Hey guys....I am not an cruel person who gets up every morning with plans to kill animals...

What i wanted to convey is that we cannot assume ourselves sitting on a high chair and judge those people since they do not hold the degrees and diplomas like us...that definitely does not make them stupid and foolish.....

And as per my view this is not an legal issue but an social issue...and finding a legal solution will not help in the long run.

I do agree and always advocate that as a society we have to, from time to time, analyse and redifine ourselves... but also to stay as a society we have to sensitive and open minded...

I only thought that this issue has also been too much sensitized as like the other issues recently(like what people wear, what people say and what people do..)

And this is not an religious function we are talking about...

And like chocolate and sex, adventurous sports also trigger inbuilt reward machanism which can make people high....that's why there people who enjoy extreme sports which are fatal...And the people who take part and the people who go there as audience are adults who are fully aware and take responsibility for their actions.

And lastly, i was not impressed by the judicial bench's statements as to why they were banning it(although i agree it was not an complete coverage i read..)it is so funny that while banning jalli kattu they allowed rekla race which as i happened to pass by once is much stressful and demanding on the bulls....

So what i meant by sitting and talking together means...the animal rights group working closely together with the organisers...

By limiting the no. of venues and no. of animals used, by closely monitering the abuse of animals, also with a stict safety plan for the venue(not only in plan but also in action) and supporting medical facilities....
Just my way of thinking....

Anyway, Arun naan inga oru thesis a kattikittu avasthai padarathu pathatha, innum onnu vaenda sami...ana palazkka thosam...sorry...

Dilip said...

Aun,

Ur eco system balance for non vegetarians is complete humour. A cow needs 100 pounds of vegetation to produce about 4 or 5 pounds of meat. You are basically wasting 100 pounds of vegetation for a 5 pound meat piece which is a one time consumption.

Instead invest 50 pounds on that vegetation the cow feeds on crops like rice and wheat which are equally rich in protein.

Secondly, Jallu Kattu should be banned because its cruelty to the animal but selective banning of jalli kattu alone is hypocracy. How about things like cock fight, pattu poochchi fights, fighter fish gambling which are as wide spread in pockets in villages as much as bull fight is?

If you observe non cruelty towards animals then it needs to be on the whole, selective abolishment of certain aspects of a culture in the name of liberalizing is bull crap.